From chicagotribune.com:
Even with the obvious mention of Hendry, my brain's first thought was "Wait, DeRogatis is leaving the Sun-Times?"
I am not a sports guy.
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A slight diversion

WTF is this? Read this post to find out.
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HuffPo's Jonathan Peretti thinks Web editors are idiots
I mentioned in my last post that I wasn't as upset as the Chicago Reader's Whet Moser was about ChuffPo - the Chicago branch of the larger Huffington Post site - stealing content from local publications. Mainly because everything ChuffPo does is slapdash so it was hardly surprising that their ethics were, too, and the resulting direct harm seemed minimal.
Until someone in the comments at Chicagoland pointed out that ChuffPo's Bon Iver page with the stolen content was coming up higher in a Google search for "Bon Iver Vic" than the Reader's page (the source of the stolen content). You can see that here (3rd and 4th main links).
So there was the direct harm laid bare. And HuffPo's reaction to their questionable behavior dialed up my ire.
Wired picked up the story, and spoke with HuffPo co-founder Jonah Peretti, who admitted that they made a "mistaken editorial call." And to the site's credit, they are no longer publishing the full content, and are instead excerpting it the way every other aggregator site does.
But the other comments attributed to him in the story show he still doesn't get it. Excerpts from the Wired story in ital below, my comments following:
The Huffington Post co-founder Jonah Peretti says the contretemps are overblown — that the complete re-printing was a mistaken editorial call and that The Huffington Post's intention in aggregating other publications' content is to send traffic their way.
"You tease, you pull out a piece of it, and then you have a headline or link out," Peretti said. "Generally publishers are psyched to have a link."
And yes, that is what they did. And no one - Whet, me or any other Web Ed - begrudges anyone else who does this. I love when people excerpt our content, credit us and add a link. Hell, we even allow for some image use so long as the credit's given to the photog.
But as Whet's pointed out (read Update III in this post), what ChuffPo was doing was not aggegrating. It was re-publishing without permission then selling ads on that content. It's hard to put this in print terms because the Web is so different in its approach. But the generally accepted notion is when you aggregate, you excerpt. And ChuffPo was re-printing entire previews.
Did they send traffic our way? Yes, some. But it was minimal. The greater crime here was in establishing a competitive advantage vis a vis SEO traffic, which means any traffic they did send our way was superseded by their higher Google search rankings (which equals more traffic).
(The more I write about this, the more I wonder why I wasn't more pissed off. Note to self: When something like this happens in the future, throw a ball against a wall Toby Ziegler-style until you think it all the way through.)
Anyway, back to the Wired article:
The headlines on The Huffington Post, he points out, link to the outside site, not to The Huffington Post page with the two to three paragraph excerpt of the other site's copyrighted story. That page is accessible via the comment and "Quick Read" links, and serves as the "anchor" page for comments or for follow-up reporting by The Huffington Post staff.
Almost all of the readers click on the headlines and photos, according to Peretti, which means most don't know the excerpt page exists since they get sent to the original site.
Then why have those pages at all? Again, it's all about the SEO, baby. Peretti's being disingenuous here. He knows that people will find those pages via Google, which accounts for a significant portion of his site's traffic. Just because it happens off the main page, doesn't mean it's not happening.
Also, to suggest that users don't know those pages exist because they only link to the QuickRead or Comment sections, particularly since HuffPo has vigorous commenters, is also disingenuous.
He compares The Huffington Post's influence on other sites traffic to that of link-voting sites like Digg and Reddit. Those sites, along with Google News and Slashdot, rely on small excerpts or user submitted summaries of online content in order to create lists of the best new content on the web.
First of all, don't flatter yourself, sir. The effects of ChuffPo on our traffic are minimal compared to sites like Digg, Reddit or Fark. The competitive advantage they're creating for themselves far outweighs the tens of weekly pageviews we get from their site.
Also, the operative words here are "small excerpts" and "user submitted summaries." Note that HuffPo was neither printing small excerpts or user submitted summaries.
But Peretti says some 95 percent of The Huffington Post's traffic goes through the headline links, and that when The Huffington Post does original reporting or adds to a story, it changes a headline link to point to its content.
That 95 percent number is hazy and here's why: It suggests that a very small percentage of HuffPo traffic reaches those pages with the stolen content, which is supposed to diminish the ire that Whet and others have over their practices. "Hey, it's only 5 percent of our traffic! Why are you getting so upset?"
But what Peretti probably means is 95 percent of the traffic from the HuffPo/Chuffpo home pages clicks through the headline links. That's a big difference. The real question is how much pf a percentage of their overall traffic do they get by using SEO strategies to get click throughs from search engines?
As for disgruntled publishers, Peretti seems genuinely perplexed and says The Huffington Post links should be good for them — and suggests that upset editors get in touch and build relationships with Huffington Post editors.
Yeah, silly us. We should have predicted they'd steal our content and called them pre-emptively to ask them to instead enter into a business relationship with us.
I have some Christmas shopping to do this afternoon. I think I'll just steal a couple things, and if a retailer gets upset about it, I'll suggest to them they get in touch with me and ask me to become a paying customer instead.
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I think I'm out and then....
I thought I was done talking about Chuffpo here until Whet, who is the Web Editor at the Reader, noticed that ChuffPo has been running blurbs and writeups from the Reader, TOC, Centerstage, Decider and others. Whet explains it all in posts here and here:
I've known this for a while, and perhaps it's hurbis on my part, but I find everything ChuffPo does, from the top down, to be substandard so I have a hard time getting worked up about anything it does. The original content it features is from writers who either do better work elsewhere or do crap work altogether, the attribution they use is so disguised it might as well not exist (if even Roger Ebert's confused then what should we expect from other readers), and it has no original voice or outlook of its own. Since the site's had minimal impact locally, I figure whoever's reading it doesn't know any better, is attracted by nothing by the name and the site will eventually wither away.
I don't know anyone in Chicago who says "Yeah, I really like ChuffPo. It's an interesting read." Everyone who ever mentions it is doing so with ire raised (whether its about its aggregation strategy, its practice of not paying its writers*, its habit of not posting critical comments, etc.). The last time I heard anyone mention anything about a post** from any of its writers was during the whole Steve Dolinsky*** kerfuffle and again - ire raised.
All this explains why I haven't been as worked up about it as Whet. It's been lousy from Day One, and continues to be lousy. It doesn't seem to be doing direct harm to TOC and since any given day hands me a solid list of things that do (or potentially might), my focus ends up there. Is it wrong they're running whole writeups from other, better publications? Yes. Would I join in a call for them to change their attribution/linking/aggregation strategies? Yes. Is it its worst crime? Arguably, no.
But perhaps it's worth taking a stand against this due to the theory of the slippery slope. If a site like Chuffpo - which uses other publications' content to acquire millions of dollars in financing that could be spent on more responsible media sites - can get away with something like this, what's to stop any other site from doing the same. There's nothing inherently wrong with being an aggregator of content, but Whet makes a compelling argument that ChuffPo's way is the wrong way to do it (a.k.a. flat-out stealing), especially if they're making money off it.
So perhaps tomorrow I'll ask for some of that money back.
* A practice I defend, in part, here.
** Technically, the last time I heard anyone mention anything about a ChuffPo post was when Mike Doyle wrote about the CTA's plan to eject the homeless from its cars. But that was originally a post Doyle wrote for his own site Chicago Carless, which proves its writers save their best work for other places (or cross-post it).
*** Who's no longer writing for them, it seems.
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Thank you for your patience
In a bit of a hiatus right now due to an abundance of personal matters to attend to, and a rediscovery of The West Wing reruns on Bravo. Hoping my holiday break from work allows for a bit more reflection and commentary here.
UPDATE: I'd like to make it clear that "an abundance of personal matters" is just end-of-the-year tasks, trying to get back in shape, and spending more time wrapped around the Mrs. Nothing worrisome there.
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Five little words
That pretty much says it all, doesn't it?
Although I had some other choice words in my Twitter stream yesterday.
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